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MJ12 Commando: /* Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot) */

2010-02-07T18:41:13Z

Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot)

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	==Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot)==		==Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot)==
	: x2 upkeep if more advanced (unit cannot be built as a non-prototype by your nation)		: +1 upkeep if more advanced (unit cannot be built as a non-prototype by your nation)
	: x4 upkeep if radically more advanced (unit cannot be built period by your nation, even as a prototype design)		: +3 upkeep if radically more advanced (unit cannot be built period by your nation, even as a prototype design)
	: x2 upkeep for each signature technology incorporated		: +2 upkeep for each signature technology incorporated
	: ~~x0.5~~ (cannot reduce below normal upkeep) for Scraphunters trait		: -3 upkeep (cannot reduce below normal upkeep) for Scraphunters trait
	: ~~x0.75~~ (cannot reduce below normal upkeep) for active fabricators?		: -1 upkeep (cannot reduce below normal upkeep) for active fabricators

	'''Core Powers:'''		'''Core Powers:'''
	: x1.5 upkeep cost for designs from other Core blocs		: +0.5 upkeep cost for designs from other Core blocs
	: x2 upkeep cost for ZOCU designs		: +1 upkeep cost for ZOCU designs
	: x3 upkeep cost for League and Magnate designs		: +2 upkeep cost for League and Magnate designs

	'''ZOCU'''		'''ZOCU'''
	: x2 upkeep cost from Core designs		: +1 upkeep cost from Core designs
	: x3 upkeep cost for League and Magnate designs		: +2 upkeep cost for League and Magnate designs

	'''League'''		'''League'''
	: x2 upkeep cost for Magnate designs		: +1 upkeep cost for Magnate designs
	: x3 upkeep cost for Core & ZOCU designs		: +2 upkeep cost for Core & ZOCU designs

	'''Magnate'''		'''Magnate'''
	: x2 upkeep cost for League designs		: +1 upkeep cost for League designs
	: x3 upkeep cost for Core & ZOCU designs		: +2 upkeep cost for Core & ZOCU designs

	'''Indie'''		'''Indie'''
	: x2 upkeep cost for all ~~non-bloc~~ designs		: +1 upkeep cost for all foreign designs
	: Acts as ZOCU power instead with Friends from ZOCU		: Acts as ZOCU power instead with Friends from ZOCU
	: Acts as Core power instead with Core Subversion		: Acts as Core power (choose bloc) instead with Core Subversion

	These cost multipliers are ~~cumulative~~: A League power purchasing a ZOCU Sarissa (with radically more advanced technology and a signature technology integrated) would suffer 1 * 3 ~~* 4 *~~ 2 = 24 times normal upkeep. This is intended to make domestic industrial production a far better idea for military production than outsourcing. If the League power had both fabricators and Scraphunters he would ~~multiply it by .5 and .75~~, for a "mere" 9 times normal upkeep. Still punishing but it's not easy to keep things flying when you literally cannot build most of the components and have to use cheap replacements.		These cost multipliers are additive: A League power purchasing a ZOCU Sarissa (with radically more advanced technology and a signature technology integrated) would suffer 1 + 1 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 9 times normal upkeep. This is intended to make domestic industrial production a far better idea for military production than outsourcing. If the League power had both fabricators and Scraphunters he would subtract 4, for a "mere" 5 times normal upkeep. Still punishing but it's not easy to keep things flying when you literally cannot build most of the components and have to use cheap replacements.

	Of course, the faction you purchase from may also provide you supplies and spare parts, which they can build at normal cost, but this is dependent on not being blockaded and gives them a lot more negotiating muscle.		Of course, the faction you purchase from may also provide you supplies and spare parts, which they can build at normal cost, but this is dependent on not being blockaded and gives them a lot more negotiating muscle.

MJ12 Commando: /* Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot) */

2010-02-07T18:19:56Z

Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot)

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	'''Indie'''		'''Indie'''
	: ~~x1.5~~ upkeep cost for all non-bloc designs		: x2 upkeep cost for all non-bloc designs
	: Acts as ZOCU power instead with Friends from ZOCU		: Acts as ZOCU power instead with Friends from ZOCU
	: Acts as Core power instead with Core Subversion		: Acts as Core power instead with Core Subversion
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	--[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:08, 7 February 2010 (British Time)		--[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:08, 7 February 2010 (British Time)

			The option exists as long as you want to pay for it. These third world nations successfully maintain fairly advanced foreign hardware either by buying the spare parts (still an option) or sucking the hit (a completely valid option if you aren't ridiculously less advanced). The cost penalty is only absolutely harsh if you're buying things you can't even theoretically build that also happen to be built by powers far far away from you with entirely different construction standards, which means you shouldn't be able to maintain them ''at all''. This is somewhat more costly, unless you're buying Sarissas as the League.

			--[[User:MJ12 Commando\|MJ12 Commando]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

FBH: /* Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot) */

2010-02-07T13:09:54Z

Tentative Random Numbers (probably need to be changed a lot)

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	--[[User:MJ12 Commando\|MJ12 Commando]] 03:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		--[[User:MJ12 Commando\|MJ12 Commando]] 03:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

			Seems way to harsh. You do realize there's a bunch of third world nations who successfully maintain even fairly advanced foreign hardware right? Stop attempting to shut down the option to buy advanced military hardware, just try to make it somewhat more costly.

			--[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:08, 7 February 2010 (British Time)

Peel: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T14:12:11Z

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	A nation that recieves a treasure ship has some effects:		A nation that recieves a treasure ship has some effects:
	*Potential insertion of agents.		*Potential insertion of agents.
	*A negative effect on morale due to cultural contamination and external variables intruding on The Plan. Negligible below very high morale values ~~(i.e. Magnates)~~.		*A negative effect on morale due to cultural contamination and external variables intruding on The Plan. Negligible below very high morale values.
	*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?		*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?
	[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Peel: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T14:11:57Z

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	A nation that recieves a treasure ship has some effects:		A nation that recieves a treasure ship has some effects:
	*Potential insertion of agents.		*Potential insertion of agents.
	*A negative effect on morale due to cultural contamination and external variables intruding on The Plan. Negligible below high morale values.		*A negative effect on morale due to cultural contamination and external variables intruding on The Plan. Negligible below very high morale values (i.e. Magnates).
	*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?		*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?
	[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

FBH: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T14:05:01Z

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	My suggestion would be that rather than a morale hit, a treasure ship gives you the benefit of having a more open economy for that quater, and helps to pay population maintenance.		My suggestion would be that rather than a morale hit, a treasure ship gives you the benefit of having a more open economy for that quater, and helps to pay population maintenance.

	[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:57, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)		[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 14:04, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)

	=Trading Military Units=		=Trading Military Units=

FBH: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T14:04:44Z

Hosting

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	That's why you charge import duties and both sides make money. If you can't do so, sounds like you got unequal treatied. [[User:Peel\|Peel]] 14:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		That's why you charge import duties and both sides make money. If you can't do so, sounds like you got unequal treatied. [[User:Peel\|Peel]] 14:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

			My suggestion would be that rather than a morale hit, a treasure ship gives you the benefit of having a more open economy for that quater, and helps to pay population maintenance.

			[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:57, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)

	=Trading Military Units=		=Trading Military Units=

Peel: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T14:01:25Z

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	[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:57, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)		[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:57, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)

			That's why you charge import duties and both sides make money. If you can't do so, sounds like you got unequal treatied. [[User:Peel\|Peel]] 14:01, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

	=Trading Military Units=		=Trading Military Units=

FBH: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T13:58:24Z

Hosting

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	*A treasure ship is a pirate target- a nation hosting a pirate ship runs an increased chance of having a 'random' pirate attack on their ports, resulting in potential loss of resources. say 1.5x the chance for core nations, 2x-3x the chance for ZOCU/PACT, and 3-4x the chance for League, representing the civility of the spaceways. These modifiers should be variable depending on the level of defence of a nation, as well as investiture into anti-piracy methods.		*A treasure ship is a pirate target- a nation hosting a pirate ship runs an increased chance of having a 'random' pirate attack on their ports, resulting in potential loss of resources. say 1.5x the chance for core nations, 2x-3x the chance for ZOCU/PACT, and 3-4x the chance for League, representing the civility of the spaceways. These modifiers should be variable depending on the level of defence of a nation, as well as investiture into anti-piracy methods.
	[[User:Kerrus\|Kerrus]] 12:41, 6 February 2010 (EST)		[[User:Kerrus\|Kerrus]] 12:41, 6 February 2010 (EST)

			You know,again, if people get penalties from accepting treasure ships, why'd they do it? While some penalities might be neat for space Opium Wars, it should give them something to accept it, or why would they?

			[[User:FBH\|FBH]] 13:57, 6th Febuary 2010 (UTC)

	=Trading Military Units=		=Trading Military Units=

Kerrus: /* Hosting */

2010-02-06T05:42:18Z

Hosting

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	*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?		*A wealth penalty, that can be made back by charging the intruding nation a portion of their profit?
	[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)		[[User:Peel\|Peel]] 03:37, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
			*A treasure ship is a pirate target- a nation hosting a pirate ship runs an increased chance of having a 'random' pirate attack on their ports, resulting in potential loss of resources. say 1.5x the chance for core nations, 2x-3x the chance for ZOCU/PACT, and 3-4x the chance for League, representing the civility of the spaceways. These modifiers should be variable depending on the level of defence of a nation, as well as investiture into anti-piracy methods.
			[[User:Kerrus\|Kerrus]] 12:41, 6 February 2010 (EST)

	=Trading Military Units=		=Trading Military Units=